Feb 6th 2018 by Turtelbob • 5 Questions • 36 Points
My short bio: Hey everyone! Here is Gisela Getty. I am a German photographer, filmmaker and writer.I was married to John Paul Getty III, grandson of J.P.Getty, the richest man in the world. When Paul was kidnapped in summer 1973 the Old Getty refused to pay anything although he had All the money in the World.. I spent the summer 1973 with Paul in Italy when he suddenly disappeared. So AMA!
Have you seen the movie and would you consider it to be pretty accurate? If not, what’s the biggest discrepancies?
“Will it grow back?”
Like fuck off Susan your guess is as good as mine
It is leaning on the real story and does not claim to be accurate. It is a big Hollywood movie with a dose of phantasy.
what if one of the riddles was too hard or one of the guys had an ego and couldn't solve it.
What do you do with all the time you save not having to shave or do your hair?
What were the first 24 hours like for you after he was taken?
The FEC says you're allowed to do 3 things with the leftover money in your campaign account after you leave office/lose an election: refund it to donors, donate it to charity, or donate it to another political committee.
I always give people a lifeline. The person who hires me initially has my phone number just in case. I can discreetly text him help and make him look like the hero!
It preserves the magic of the adventure for the players and allows the person who hires me to look like a boss.
edit. I'm bad at typing....
We lived together with my twin sister, he and I ,and when he wasn't back home after 3 in the morning we were very worried and started looking for him at friends houses, if he had might slept somewhere else.
This is an awesome AMA! My question for you is about body hair that serves function. Do you notice yourself being colder than average? Any nasal issues? What about eye problems with the lack of brows and lashes?
You really are a beautiful woman, hair or not. Don't let it get you down!
Did the mob ever do anything else besides kidnap Paul?
Yes, i'm always cold. I'm really sensitive to cold drafts so i'm a big summer weather fan lol. My only nasal issues is that it just comes out...like I can't control it. So working as an EMT and bending over a PT can sometimes get tricky because it's just fallen out of my nose on several occasions. Absolutely mortifying but what can ya do.
To whom? To Paul?
does sweat drip into your eyes because you don't have eyebrows?
You whole family.
No the did not do anything else. We let Rome after the kidnapping and moved to California.
How much of your reporting comes from open records? Couldn't software help automate a lot of the investigative work?
Wait did that post really just lead to a job offer?
Yes, it all comes from the FEC API. In fact, I wrote a lot of software to do this reporting. 2 versions of a scraper, 3 versions of a disbursement tagging app, and the interactive database we published online with the story.
I do hire people for each adventure, but with u/Bonfire0fTheManatees I think he/she would be better served building a customized San Diego Adventure and getting paid every time someone does it.
I would loooooove to chat
Weird question. I'm assuming all of the hair in your nose fell out too. Do you notice a difference? Like coughing more since the hairs aren't there to help block dust and other particles from entering?
lol you're too kind :)
Short answer: Yes. I quit back in october.
Long answer: It's still Dicey. I made a calculated risk. I knew I would dip into savings as I built this. I've also CONSIDERABLY downsized my life/spending. Luckily there isn't very much overhead for the business.
I'm by no means making a killing, but I'm a the cusp of financial sustainability and it's super exciting.
YES !! My ear hair fell out too. I was in Ireland for awhile and the wind bothered my ears.
How often do you have to deal with people pointing out that you have no hair?
No, it would not be difficult for him or any politician to do exactly that.
Credit goes to Noah for turning us onto this story. He'd been pestering Mark Foley and George LeMieux about their campaign spending for years. Last year, at a conference, we got to talking about how this was a national story and how we could use the FEC's own data to report on it.
Thank you so much! I've only had two that didn't go exactly how I was intending:
Adventure no. 11: The Elite. This was a corporate team offsite where halfway through, the party was split into 2 teams and it turned into a race. It was also the first time I'd incorporate a stop at a bar early on. My mistake was it was a little too complex + I threw them a big curveball halfway through + they were drinking. It wasn't disastrous. They all had a great time but I pride myself on days being perfect.
The other one was Adventure no 17: Margarita Madness (Can you see a recurring theme here?) Players moved from Bar to Bar, adding a new addition along the way. Even though everyone knew it would involve a lot of bars, a bunch of them forgot to bring their state IDs and only brought their military IDs. Half the bars didn't let them in. I had to change the course of the entire adventure as it was running. There was a lot of fast rewriting of clues, calling of bars, and wax sealing envelopes in my car.
Long story short, there are always variables, but I've done this long enough to where I can adapt and change things along the way. Knock on wood, no adventure has ever completely derailed.
So I’ve done this.
I’m an EMT and I had a patient for some reason say “you had hair before we left for the hospital!!!!” ( he was a psych)
So my reply was like “oh yah I rolled the window down and it all fell out “
mind blown 🤯
Do you think that sort of funding model has a future in journalism on a larger scale, or is there another adjustment that needs to be made?
This is so cool! How long does it take you to plan a scavenger hunt? Do you have to do a lot of research beforehand?
I prefer to have AT LEAST 2-3 weeks lead time. Sometimes more (depending on if I need to book something super far in advance.
I like to space out my adventures 2 weeks a part so I can put 14 solid days of focus on to each one. Each day is completely mapped out on a spreadsheet so all my agents are clear on the timing and their roles.
If they have a dinner reservation at 6:00 pm. They'll be there +/- 15 minutes
lmao, I didn't say "SCENE SAFETY, BSI" before a call and this psych came up and shaved all my hair off...so make sure you say that...regardless of your partner...every.time. :D
What legally constitutes a 'campaign'? Can a single candidate and a few friends 10 years after the fact still legally be a campaign, or do you need to meet a threshold like non-profits do?
I would like to apply for Ray’s job.
Is there anything unexpectedly positive you can find about your condition? Like maybe another level of appreciation for satin or silk bedding?
To be a campaign, all you need to do is file with the FEC. The loophole is that there is nothing in federal election rules that requires you to close down your account after the campaigning ends. These campaigns that are still legally "campaigning" according to the FEC whilst not actually campaigning for an office are what we called zombie campaigns.
Hey! Welcome to the club! Lost all my hair in the ninth grade (I’m a guy), I’m 33 now and never looked back.
Did you try any (are they still trying any/these) treatments? My folks had me try cortisone shots into my scalp, cream that intentionally made my scalp really itchy and something where I would stand it what seemed like an upright tanning booth (this sort of worked for me).
Edit: added photo
I think it's intentional. There are bills that have been filed to address this that were killed right away.
Everything is completely customized to the person/people on the adventure (as well as the city they're in). That being said, I do have certain plays/gambits I'll recycle because they're just too much fun.
For Adventure no 17: Margarita Madness, Players moved from Bar to Bar, adding a new addition along the way. Even though everyone knew it would involve a lot of bars, a bunch of them forgot to bring their state IDs and only brought their military IDs. Half the bars didn't let them in. I had to change the course of the entire adventure as it was running. There was a lot of fast rewriting of clues, calling of bars, and wax sealing envelopes in my car.
Yes I’ve tried all of the approved treatments with no luck
My first thought when I saw your photo was “hey he looks like me!”
What are the tax implications of having a "campaign" account? Do campaigns pay taxes on their contributions/expenses?
You should start each adventure telling the group you have only lost 6 or 7 people, during adventures. moment of silence
That's what I thought when I saw your post! This is me, my eyebrows and eyelashes are slowly losing the battle and I need to learn how to draw them back on, I'm not very good so far, any advice? I think you look beautiful.
This season on America's Next Top Model there is a contestant with alopecia who went bald for her makeover (and is crazy gorgeous). Have you seen this? What do you think about it?
Generally, no I don't think they pay taxes. Some candidates incorporate their committees in which case they are subject to paying taxes on the funds.
What is the best way to contract/shrink the size of campaigns? Would that eliminate the amounts of money at every stage of the process, including this one after the fact?
Wow- why aren’t military IDs accepted for bars in some states? You would figure they have picture ID, birthdate and full name just as any other ID. Is it because they don’t have some of the same security features?
It was just certain bars in Pacific Beach. I understand both sides. The party told me that they'd never had this issue. I think it's just when PB gets busy, some bars get strict.
I have. I like being a red head during the summer and a brunette during the winter.
Yeah, I managed a bar at a big ten school. During big times like rush week and homecoming we got way more strict on what we allowed. Also, no 21st birthdays on half off nights.
I've had alopecia since I was 11. How many different doctors and specialists did you go to before giving up? I think I saw about 20 before I said fuck it.
No, it does not surprise me that congress writes massive loopholes into campaign finance laws and underfunds the commission responsible for oversight of campaign spending.
What was the most random thing you found purchased? Most concerning?
I see you are taking the business model from the movie The Game. Please end an adventure with. A 70 story drop. :)
Yes huge fear
Have there been any eye-catching purchases with these funds? Or any amount spent on something you weren't expecting?
This is really cool!
Here is a scavenger hunt I made for my local subreddit a few years ago.
What do you think?
Scavenger Hunt https://imgur.com/a/3Oasn
I posted this in reply to another question but the most random/surprising to me was Lyndon LaRouche who spend tens of thousands of campaign dollars publishing "Children of Satan III: The Sexual Congress for Cultural Fascism".
This is SO FREAKING COOL. I absolutely loved the way to progressed the participants through the hunt. One of the toughest things I have to work around is how to leave something in a public place without having some rando mess with it. Leaving the telephone pole sign was brilliant
What happens next? Now that the issue has been brought to light, what can your average citizen do about it?
That sounds fantastic.
Hello! What are some of the main challenges brought about by your condition and how do you deal with them?
Honestly, this has to be fixed at the legislative level. There are giant loopholes in the rules and the FEC doesn't have to resources to properly vet the more than 20 million transactions they are tasked with a year. So the buck stops at congress who write the rules and also underfund the commission tasked with enforcing the rules. The best way to get change is to tell your congressmen that reform is needed and that they should pay attention to this issue.
The psychological challenges of Alopecia are worse than the physical challenges. Like I mentioned, this was an adult diagnosis for me so I know what life with hair was like.
I can't walk into a room and feel comfortable. Ever.
I can't let subtle comments "go" I always have to defend myself instead of walking away.
I can't happily look in the mirror ( I know it's dramatic but it's reality)
My diagnosis has been attributed to stress, so I'mc constantly trying to reduce stress which is impossible.
The eyelashes that I buy that are the most natural looking ones are $18/pair and only last for 2 uses. I can certainly get cheaper options but they're a bit too "i'm about to go FSU at the club-like."
Well I think you look great and you're doing a wicked job of staying positive in what are definitely horrible circumstances. I have nothing but admiration for you (my wife suffers the opposite due to pcos). You are a very brave lady to carry on:
walking into rooms
looking in the mirror
You got this. Keep positive. Kindest wishes from London, UK.
Noah found a few FL pols who were doing exactly this. They kept dodging him and his questions for years. Last year, around this time, we met up at a conference and started talking about his story idea and how we could pursue it on a national level using the FECs own data.
Very true. It's something I've grappled with big time.
(between you and me and literally everyone reading this) If i find a player who just absolutely deserves something like this, I make it happen.
You tell me your budget, and I make it work.
Some people truly, honestly absolutely deserve a day they'll never forget
You’re so kind. Thank you and good luck to your wife
The problem I've run into is when someone emails me saying "I'd like to buy an adventure, but I don't want to talk until I know the cost"
I give them the cost (usually recommend $3,000 if I am traveling to you) and then I never hear from them again.
But if i have a conversation where i tell you that I'm going to use your best friend's tattoos as the cipher to decode a message that sends you to a mirror maze where you're intercepted and handed another clue all while being tracked via a GPS thats been placed on you to ensure perfection, you might begin to understand why it costs so much.
TL;DR - never lead with your price. Lead with an explanation of what you do.
lol, i'm tired. i'm about to fuck shit up at the club! Those cheap eyelashes are poppin!
soooooo fun fact...
I've had people threaten physical harm to me for never seeing it. I'll see it eventually!
I would have never thought of that!!! Let me check em out!
What do you think will come of this? Are you getting information to the right people (or are you hoping the public will take this information and wise up?)?
What do you do when things go wrong? Not that I'm doubting you're abilities, but do you ever have to change something mid-adventure?
Those are good eyebrows! You know outside of eyebrows and a wig, that is the only hair that has any value. I know several African American women who wear wigs daily, and they have regular hair they just don't like it. If done well, I can't tell the difference.
Also, you don't need a wig. Shanaid O'Connor. Bald women with large earings is hot.
The buck stops at congress. Congress writes the loopholes into law and underfunds the agency tasked with enforcement.
Through our reporting we've been in contact with various groups such as CREW, IssueOne, and CLC who are filing petitions with the FEC to better clarify the rules on what is and is not allowed. Ultimately, though, the only way to get change is for voters to make it known that they want reform from their reps and sens.
I carry an "oh shit!" box for every adventure. Inside this box i include things like:
Extra envelopes with the Player's initial written on it Extra Wax A lighter String tape double sided tape hydrophobic spray ruler exacto knife assortment of pens Blue flare lots of paper scissors key locks password locks
Plenty of other things! very rarely, I'll have to call an audible mid day and scrap a location to replace it with another. Most of the time these things just help make the experience more magical (I.e. one of the players mentions he would love rocky road Ice cream. At the next location, there's a cup of ice cream with a wax sealed envelope containing a note that says
"I got chu" -The Architect
Those moments make incredible memories
I went as Sinead OConnor for Halloween last year :p
Based on my rough accounting of the people listed in your Zombie Campaigns Database, and not looking at their individual behaviors or the amounts spent, it looks like democrats are more likely to do this than republicans.
This observation seems more partisan than I'd like it to be. I don't want this to turn into another Reddit "us" vs. "them" thread, but I found this interesting.
- Is that a fair assessment?
- Do you feel that one side or the other spent more this way?
- Was there a difference in how this money was spent by party?
Edit: Below /u/EliMurray says
there are more than 18,000 campaign committees filed with the FEC so we didn't get to look exhaustively at all of them
This is an important point that invalidates my "analysis" above. Counting the number of Ds or Rs on the list isn't worthwhile, because the list isn't exhaustive.
You sounds like a very fun guy hahah
as someone who also has an "oh shit box" for my line of work, i've taken to calling it the "oh shit kit."
Have you ever met someone who expressed a sexual attraction toward your lack of hair? If so, did that make you feel better/worse about your condition?
Nope no one.
Well there’s this one guy at a place I frequent who touches my head every time. He’s seems normal. He jokes about it. Great now all I’m thinking is that he’s fantasizing about My head.
My brother has a friend who was recently diagnosed with alopecia and she is having a hard time with it. What advice would you give someone who is recently diagnosed? He says she is constantly trying to reduce stress and eating a very strict healthy diet.
If I was to create an adventure for Ron, it would be out in the wilderness for 3 days, it would be solitary (He wouldn't want to have leslie tag along) and it would be extremely challenging.
It’s going to take it’s inevitable course and no one is going to understand what it’s like. You’re literally transforming into a new person.
My advice is to do the things you enjoy.
What's the price range for one of your scavenger hunts? I'm sure it varies based on the individual, but is there a ballpark estimate?
Do these things still feel good? https://m.imgur.com/gallery/rlyrG
Yep! without getting too into the weeds, i usually recommend $3,000 budget but it's worth noting that everything is suuuuuuper flexible. If you have a smaller budget, I can use public places (san diego is chock full: Balboa park, Coronado Island, Beaches everywhere
That being said, if you want a hot air balloon ride or a dinner stop at a 5 star restaurant, I'd recommend having a higher budget!
hope that gives you a good idea!
OH MY GOD I GOT ONE FOR CHRISTMAS! still sooooo goooood 🤤
Did you know that it's also my birthday? We share the date with Sir Thomas Moore, and Laura Ingalls Wilder. It's a good day.
EDIT: Gold?! Honestly, it was a bit of a rough start to the day, but this is turning it around. Thanks, Architect! I hope you get lots of tasty cake today.
What Halloween costumes have you tried? I recommend Aang from Avatar: The Last Airbender.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! We literally have the best birthday ever. It's just far enough from the holidays, It's after the superb owl (usually) and just before valentines day!
Have you done an adventure for someone who obviously didn't want to do it? How did that go?
I am assuming that since a considerable amount of money is involved, the person purchasing it would talk to the receiving party ahead of time. I am picturing a desperate proposal, the kind we see in the movies but without the movie ending.
I've always aimed to live a life based on making the best from a bad situation.
So with that in mind, here's my question.
Have you ever wanted to grease yourself up, lay a tarpaulin down and slide around the place like an oily sausage? Because if not I think you're not treating your god damn super power with the respect it deserves.
I'm hairy as shit, but not manly enough to pull it off, so I'm a hairy, lanky chap. I can tell you now, not having to shave everything would save me so much money.
I know it must feel shit. I can see why it'd make you feel low so I hope you can see the funny side of this comment.
Fucking wear it with pride. You got dealt this hand. It's YOUR hand. And if you ever do get low again, get one of those knitted dwarf hat beard thingies. That way you can still feel as manly and rugged as you want to.
I did an adventure early on for someone's birthday where it became pretty clear that his friends who were acting as agents where WAY more excited about it than he was.
I've done enough to learn that most people would like some kind of special day, but it's important to make sure they get the day they want. I ask a ton of questions early on. some people would rather have a quiet solitary experience exploring their city. Others want to be thrust into a ridiculous world where their friends are all the villains in a battle between good and evil!
regarding the second part, yes. It's a balancing act to ensure that the player in the game isn't completely blindsided by the day but still has the element of surprise. Usually I'll do a teaser envelope dropped off days in advance to get them excited
Oh I love this. I’m going to have to do that this summer!
Thats all good and all but why not add black jack and hookers? 🤔
Have you considered getting silly or colorful wigs just for fun? Make them an accessory! Also you must have so many options for1 brows. Any color or shape you want, change it up every day! Glad to see your so positive about this!
We can create our own scavenger hunts! With Blackjack! And Hookers!
Yes I have a purple one
When did you decide that this could turn into a business or a full time job (if it is one)?
What steps did you have to take to turn it into a business and was it difficult?
Thanks! And great story. Love it when people provide others with a memorable experience.
How fast are you? (Low wind resistance)
I'll start with 2 because it leads into 1.
- in short, I got super lucky, I had decided build the first adventure for my reddit giftee because he happened to live 21 minutes away from me. While i was working on it, i got excited and told anyone who would listen. I recruited a bunch of friends to help along the way. One of my friends agreed to wake up early and hand deliver the century old suitcase to my giftee. He tagged along through the next location too. Once my giftee and his girlfriend got to the zoo, I knew I had a few hours before their next stop.
I took my friend out to breakfast to thank him. He said. "this is awesome. You're going to make a business out of this. Give me a name, I'll build you a website."
At that moment, I came up with Constructed Adventures. When I met my giftee at the end, I told him about it. When he posted to reddit, he linked the website and everything blew up overnight! As far as the business side. I have business savvy friends who held my and the whole way through the LLC and bank accounts and stuff. Now on to part 1.
- I did this as a side hustle for about 2 years while I worked a phone job full time. Basically I would go to work, come home, build an adventure, scout locations one weekend, and run it the next.
rinse and repeat.
Anyway, I moved to San Diego for a new phone job and was MISERABLE. I finally hit a breaking point where I realized I'd rather be poor and doing this than rich talking on the phone all day.
one week before I quit, I got featured at the tail end of the Teach for America Episode of How I built this.
If there is any takeaway from this, it's find something you love, do it as a side hustle, save your money, and take the leap once its big enough.
I've always wanted to have something set up for my marriage that involves a scavenger hunt! Have you had any couples ask you for this kind of request, maybe at the end there's a ring or it's a birthday party with birthday gifts all throughout the day!!!?
You look so happy in your picture, and you have a beautiful smile. Thanks for doing the AMA!
You have had such a life changing experience, especially emotionally I guess. How has your outlook on the world changed from before you knew about your mum's diagnosis and now (not least as most people struggle enough with the transition between youth and adulthood at the best of times!)?
My favorite Adventure I've ever done was Adventure no. 9: The Proposal.
TBH. If i could just do marriage proposals, I would. I also help coach soon to be proposers to make sure they haven't forgotten anything!
I was so naive and took everything for granted. It taught my that everything can and will change in a second and you have no control. I try and use that mindset and incorporate it into my daily life but unfortunately I’m drowning in student loan debt and I can’t afford the activities I’d like.
Do you Geocache? If so what’s your username?
It’s a similar “sport” or game that involves scavenger hunts. Have you at least heard of it?
Is it fake eyelashes?
Honestly I dont... I really should! I did go geocaching with Sunny from the PodCacher podcast. It was so much fun! I've been in talks with them about potentially creating an intricate series of caches around San Diego.
I love the idea of Geocaching. Mine is similar in many was and different in two:
Geocaching is digital. using Gps where mine ends up being a little more wax sealed, cloak and daggars,
every once in a while, you locate where a cache should be, and some jabroni has stolen or ruined it (or it wasn't kept up). With mine, when you're sent to a park to find a statue, there's a 100% chance that there will be an envelope in the hand of the statue because it was place there 30 seconds before you arrived and someone is nearby watching and waiting to ensure you grab it and no one else does!
yeap, all fake
Scavenger hunts? Treasure chests? Wax seals? Oh my god, can I be you when I grow up?
This is the most elaborate thing I've ever created. I'd be incredibly flattered to know your thoughts on a concept like this.
And if you ever need help on an adventure in Toronto, I'd love to volunteer!
What is your ideal breakfast?
ARE YOU SHITTING ME?
Thats the coolest thing I've ever seen! Please email me at [email protected] with the subject "city series"
I have a project that I'm working on and I would like to talk to you about it
Bacon and eggs
I recently tried wax sealing some envelopes and completely failed. What’s your process?
When was the last time you touched your shower drain?
I all seriousness, you look happy and beautiful in the photo above. Would you like a wig? Maybe reddit can support a GoFundMe or something?
What type of wax did you use? I've tried a bunch of different kinds from amazon and craft stores. I usually go with the stuff they carry at Michaels because I like the consistency more and it drips evenly.
Depending on the size of the stamper, I'll usually make a quarter sized pool of wax, following the edges as it drips. Then I'll press firmly down the the stamp, hold for a few seconds and peel it away from left to right (I don't recommend pulling straight back up).
Also, I've been doing this a long time. The first time i waxed envelopes it was a bit dicey.
Well thank you so much, I am happy. But I have my days.
How much planing do you do for prep work? Does it take days or months? When you customize your hunt per clientele, do you research city history to make it more entertaining?
Have you been able to link up with others with this condition? It would seem like a good idea if you haven’t. Being around folks that have shared your experience is often a wonderful therapy. Also they might give some pointers and tips on how to get insurance to pay for wigs or eyelashes maybe?
There is a ton of prep work. i usually need 2-3 weeks! After the initial call I have the client fill out a 2 page survey about whoever the player is in the game.
After that I work with them to come up with something that the player would want! (some adventures are super challenging, some are more serendipitous)
I utilize the strengths of the players and also cool places in their city to create something spectacular.
I have and it’s just like meeting another person. I’ve never felt any relief from meeting others with this condition.
Have you ever considered combining a physical scavenger hunt with a digital one using something like ShareTwist.com? Seems like you could maybe expand your business to do scavenger hunts that could apply to huge digital audiences! Optionally, you could enforce location as well for certain clues.
Is complete hair loss the only thing this condition causes?
It's definitely something I've given thought to.
Right now I'm super happy doing my thing. I think a lot of people make the mistake to constantly grow. I don't need to make a ton of money. I just need to make experiences.
It will be fun to look into new ideas and possibilities, but at the moment I'm just building adventures.
Physically yes. Emotionally no
Not likely, they doesn't usualy invest in service, mostly it's product.
You can easily scale a product with a minimum investment and increase incredibly the profit margins that way. That's what Shark Tank does well. A service doesn't have that advantage, you can scale it with more staff, but usually you will lose quality because it depends on the individual (in this case it's OP) and they aren't all as good as him. You always lose efficiency too with more staff, which again are lost profit.
Shark Tank would be great for PR I guess but his clients clearly require deep pockets, which isn't the same public as Shark Tank.
What is your drag coefficient?
Bingo. Frankly, I've got a great thing going. i do plan on scaling, but very slowly. The magic in this comes from these spectacular days. I'm just not ready to have this be in someone else's hands.
What your personal favourite scavenger hunt you have created for someone?
Have you considered locks of love? They donate to people with alopecia instead of cancer because it’s a more permanent condition. Also, is there anything that surprises you about losing the hair? Are you cold more?
Adventure no. 8: The Treasure Hunter will always have a special place in my heart mostly because the Players were fantastic and hilarious.
I also absolutely loved doing Adventure no. 21: 50/50 split. It was this fun company retreat where they raced around coronado island
I haven’t because I always consider those who aren’t comfortable enough with the condition to go bald everyday. They need it more than me.
Have you ever thought about getting your arms sleeved up and rocking the biker chick look?
Yes I have. I have several non visible tatttoos