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AthleteWant to get inside the mind of an elite Olympic medalist? I'm Figure Skater Ashley Wagner, and I'm Six Months Out from Going for Gold. Ask Me Anything!

Aug 9th 2017 by Ashley_Wagner • 13 Questions • 110 Points

The Exploratorium is a playful learning laboratory in San Francisco with 600+ interactive exhibits. Nicole Minor is the project director and producer for the museum's 2017 live stream of the upcoming total solar eclipse on August 21st. Rob Rothfarb is the Exploratorium's eclipse live stream technical director. He created the museum's FREE Total Solar Eclipse app for iOS + Android. We’ve live streamed six solar eclipse events.

https://www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse

Thanks everybody! We had fun answering your great questions and hope you enjoy clear skies on eclipse day! Please join us online for our live coverage on our app and website, beginning at 9:00 AM PDT / 12:00PM EDT on August 21. If you're in the Bay Area and would like to come watch with us, we're having an eclipse viewing party at the Exploratorium starting at 9:00 AM. -Rob and Nicole

Q:

As the men are doing more and more difficult jumps, do you think it is important for the ladies to keep up and start adding 3A's and even quads to their programs? If so, do you plan on bringing any of those jumps to your programs for the Olympic season? Or are you going to focus mainly on doing elements which you know you can to get good GOE's on?

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How many times do you expect to break down?


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What was the most exciting location to shoot from?

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Hey, here is the thing. At a certain point physics comes into play with what the human body is capable of doing. I think with the younger women coming up in the sport, triple axels and quads are definitely something that is on the horizon. We all know what happens when someone matures and physically that just makes it very very tough on the body, but you see awesome chicks like Mirai Nagasu going for the triple axel so it is definitely possible! My recipe for success this time around is clean and secure. I am going for intricate entrances and exits into my main elements to help boost my GOE and mentally it will help me feel more secure competing.


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I ran over a nail in the Badlands that resulted in me getting a flat tire and losing control at about 5mph. The bike fell on its side and the highway pegs rotated around and punched a 2in home in the side of my engine cover causing me to lose lots of oil. I patched the hole using two quarters, jb weld, and RTV. I had to swap my inner tube out for my spare tube in the Black Hills of SD. After that I ran over 3 more nails resulting in 6 total flat rear tires and going through 6 inner tubes. The mist recent flat was in the panhandle of FL a few days ago and at this point it's just procedure, it's just an inconvenience. I only have 2-3k more miles so I may get one more flat tire but I think it's likely I'll make it home with no more complications. Other than the flats the bike is a bit tired but I haven't had any engine or drive line problems yet. I'm also on my third rear tire. I wore the first out around 5k miles, the second around 11k and I've had my current tire on for about 3k miles since Colorado Springs.

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Probably the tiny atoll of Woleai, in Micronesia, for last year's eclipse in March of 2016. We had no electricity, no internet, no nothing. Had to bring it all by boat!


Q:

If you had to perform a pairs routine with someone, who would you pick?

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Are motorcycle tires not as reliable as car tires? That seems like a crazy amount of flats.


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I hear you will be broadcasting in Spanish, too -- is this true?

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Nope. I don't trust men enough. LOL jk but probably I would pick Jason Momoa, he look's strong and brave and I like looking at him so thats a perk as well.


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Well motorcycle tires are definitely under more stress than a car tire. Unlike car tires, motorcycle tires are round and get worn on all sides. Also their contact patch is a narrow band and therefore there's high forces relatively on those narrow bands. I've had more flats than most riders would experience, and I can only chalk that up to the increased weight I have on the rear of the bike. Most of the bikes weight is on the rear and because of that I've gone through two rear tires already and it appears as though the front tire I left on will actually get me all the way through the trip. For some reason I've had four nails puncture my tires. But unlike tubeless car tires, a puncture in a tube type tire will absolutely result in a flat. I think car tires can pick up nails and only result in slow enough leaks that people don't even know that they've run over a nail. I think if every nail in a car tire resulted in a flat tire people would find they get way more flat tires. I wonder if the amount of nails I've run over has anything to do with the amount of the back roads I end up taking to get to my camp sights.

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Yes! Our live coverage in Spanish, from 10:00-11:00AM PDT will be hosted by Exploratorium astronomer/educator Dr. Isabel Hawkins and Univision's Kira Vilanova.


Q:

Awww, what about Max Aaron? Fun to see him lifting you at Skate For Hope and WTT.

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Do they not make a tubeless motorcycle tire? Seems odd that something that is designed for highway speeds would be so prone to flats.

And yeah, that seems like a lot of nails.


Q:

My friends bought sketchy eclipse glasses on the street. They don't seem to be more than 3D glasses. Is there a way to tell real eclipse safety glasses from fake ones or just 3d glasses?

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Love Maxy, he is one of my favs in this sport we are really great friends!


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Most modern motorcycles are tubeless. But tubeless tires require solid cast rims. Old bikes like this 1975 Goldwing used spoked rims and because the air would leak out where the spokes are they require tubes. The alternative would be to use a kit to convert the time to be tubeless but it would require perfect sealing of all the spokes and I'm not sure if that would have made my situation worse, or better.

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Only eclipse glasses with verifiable filtering with the ISO 12312-2 level can be used to safely look at the sun. To find reputable sources we recommend consulting the American Astronomical Society's solar filters and viewers guide at https://eclipse.aas.org/resources/solar-filters Please make sure your eclipse glasses come from reputable sources!


Q:

Hey Ashley! I follow figure skating almost obsessively - I was just wondering that moment when you land a jump, where do you feel the impact the most (and does it hurt)? Is it the knee?

A:

I've converted old spoke rims to tubeless, they work very well. Not hard to do if you have time and place to remove the tires and do the work.


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Also, looking at the sun during the eclipse is not any more dangerous than looking at the sun on any other day. If you're like me, and you enjoy you some sun staring, you're fine.

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Wow great question I never really think of that these days. I guess your feet since thats the moment of impact? IDK it happens so fast its hard to say where you feel it most. Everywhere these days for me lol.


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That's good to know, it's something I'll look into for the wing when I get back, especially if I plan on doing any more long distance rides on it!

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Here's one of our recent favorite videos - highlights from the 2016 total solar eclipse that we captured in Micronesia: https://www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/past?media=8239


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Hi Ashley! Best of luck in Korea!

I was wondering, as an athlete who is under immense pressure to perform by one's self, in front of the crowd, what tips/tricks/advice do you have for dealing with nerves?

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Where do you shower?! Haha


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Thanks for doing this! How many eclipses have your live-streamed? Has any group done more than you?

Also, what was the most difficult expedition/broadcast?

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For me, the moment I stop caring about what other people think is the moment I get control of my nerves. I also remind myself that the nerves are there for a reason, because I care and am invested in what I'm doing. I train way too hard every day and at one point you just have to quiet your mind and believe in the work you've put into everything.


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haha well I definitely don't shower every day, but I think my longest stretch with no shower must have been no more than four days. I shower when I stay with someone I know or someone who reaches out to me on Instagram and I shower when I stay at hostels. I guess it's just worked out well that I haven't had any incredibly long stretches without staying somewhere with a shower. I have a 6L water filtration system that has an adapter to convert it to a shower but I've actually never had to even use it. I could also use showers at like truck stops or something, but again it hasn't been too much of an issue and I know more people on the East Coast than I o elsewhere so I don't forsee it being an issue the remainder of the trip either!

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You are welcome, it is our pleasure. We have live streamed 11 eclipses, starting back in 1994 with an experiment. Good question if anyone has done more then us-probably SLOOH. As for the most difficult expedition, probably Western China in 2008, which was very remote.


Q:

Would it be possible to grab some "ice flakes" left after doing let's say sit spin, and throw them in the air as it was snow?

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Damn, did you consider stopping to ask her what was going on?


Q:

Can you view the eclipse through a telescope lens safely without the glasses? Would that filter the harmful rays?

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Are you choreographing a program RIGHT NOW!? Lol its possible and not a bad idea. Cue dramatic ice throw


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..I...umm...I guess I didn't. I guess I was getting some horror movie vibes from the situation. Not "this last could probably use some help" vibes. In hind sight I probably should have at least pulled over and see if she was alright... from a safe distance that is.

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No, you need a special filter for the telescope lens.


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Some Sheryl Crow... Tomorrow Never Dies... Ice snow thrown in the air at the very end in the spotlight... Oh I would love to see something outside of the box like that. And who else than the sassiest figure skater could do that :)

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how many nails do you plan on picking up off the roads of the united states?


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Will it be noticeably different to experience totality with a school grade telescope?

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One single tear sliding down my face.


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Well I've picked up 4 via my tire and I found one on the ground while changing one of my inner tubes! So I've gotten 5 off of the road so far and with 2-3k miles left on my trip there's probably a 50/50 chance I'll find at least one more!

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Probably, but it really depends on the magnification and filters.


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Have you watched Yuri on Ice?

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Thank you for picking up all of the nails for us.

With the exception of a buddy running over a nailgun's nail clip, you have run over more nails then everyone I know, combined.


Q:

I've seen things written about watching the shadow race toward you if you are viewing from a mountaintop. How pronounced is this, and is it worth it for people to travel to a remote mountain locatoin to see?

Also, a shameless plug for /r/solareclipse for people who have questions after this IAMA is over.

edit: formatting

A:

Victor Nikiforov heart eyes


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Yeah my uncle is floored. He out 83k miles on this bike before me and only ever got one flat... as Bill O'Reilly says "you can't explain that!"

A:

Hi-I have never witnessed this myself, but I hear it can be quite spectacular. Also, you can likely watch the ISS capture the shadow as it moves along the path.


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hey! do you work on your lutz? any plans to change the technic/entry? are you gonna start the program with 2a again? any changes on your layout, new element or more/less jumps in the 2nd half of the program? and a quick wish: i hope you have enough time for the final spin this time! love you so much, never stop competing, thanks, best wishes. <3 :*

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Where do you find the time and the funds?


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Do you have a preference for eyewear? I have shade 14 welders goggles and ISO approved glasses but just had Baader safety film arrive at my place and am going to make glasses out if that. I've never experienced an eclipse but it has been top of my bucket list ever since reading about its impact regarding physics, specifically with relativity. What are your recommendations?

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OH MY GOD I AM STRESSED. Mom, is this you!?!?


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Well I graduated and decided to do this before getting a full time job so that's how I've got the time. As for the funds I've probably got less into it than you might think. RIT does 5 year bachelors and that extra year is two6 month blocks of payed internship. The way it worked out for me, I finished my classes up over last summer and spent the last 9 months before graduating working my last co-op. I worked 45 hours a week on average there and another 5 at a cafe on the weekends. All the rest of my time went into my bike. I basically became a hermit for 6 months so that I could get the bike done in time and so that I could save money by not doing anything. The bike was free, but it was in rough shape, it was probably worth about 1k and I don't want to diminish the generosity of my uncle, but I had to bust my ass for 6 months to make this happen. I probably have 2k into the bike and the gear I needed for camping and riding and I had a budget of ~$3500 when I left so I've traveled very frugally. I camped for free, stayed in four cheap hostels and stayed with some friends, family, and people who followed me on Instagram. I might have been able to get to 48 states without their generosity, but it wouldn't have been enjoyable! The love that people have showed me buying me meals or giving me a place to stay allowed me to do this in a way that was enjoyable.

A:

Good question. Images seen with each type of approved solar filter will look slightly different. We don't have a preference other than safety. We made this video to explore the story of Einstein's light-bending concept: https://www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/video/einsteins-light-bending-concept


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the username is even better because it's "3lz3t" like WHY

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Are you going to watch the eclipse from inside the totality path? Have you been to Earl's in Sebastian yet?


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I'll be on a plane! Flying back to SF from the U.K. :(( Is there a chance I'll see it?! Flight leaves 1130am UK time. Which side of the plane should I sit on?! :)

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Worked on the lutz all summer, axel is still first you can't teach an old dog new tricks and yes I have time for my spins YAY!


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unfortunately I don't think I'll be anywhere near the totality path on the 22nd. I'll either have completed my trip and be in western NY or I'll be somewhere in the Northeast. I actually didn't know about the eclipse until I got to Yellowstone and was talking to my camp host in the Tetons area. She the Yellowstone/teton area is in the redline and every campsite has been booked for like two years. They've had to get every port-potty they can get and are even trucking some in from as far away as maine! I guess there' some big concern about safety with such a huge influx of people to the parks in close habitation to all the bears and buffalo. Also Idaho Falls is in the redline and I stayed there on the 4th with my friends family. The father said people in Idaho Falls are renting camp spots in their yard for 300/night with a two night minimum and maybe a porta-potty but I think that's just for the tent spot. Wherever I am, I'll try to see the eclipse as much as I can but I don't expect it'll be exceptional in the Northeast. Will you be on the redline? Are you and eclipse chaser??

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Rob here-Hmmm hard to say where the plane will be during the eclipse. Probably sit on the port (left) side in the event that it will fly near the path. Backup plan: wi-fi on plane with our Total Solar Eclipse mobile app or website and watch our live video.


Q:

What countries had the wildest people you hung out with during the Olympics? Any stories?

A:

Can you change a tube like a pit crew now?


Q:

One time I looked directly at the sun, what kind of damage did I do to my eyes?

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In skating, the Russians love to have the most fun! Them and the Italians I think are they wild ones in skating!


Q:

It's definitely routine. I have to take all the gear off of the rack, put the bike on the center stand, take the boxes off their frame, taking the box-frame off of the main frame and then remove the rear brake, left rear shock absorber and the rear axle to take the rear wheel off. Once the wheel is off I can take one side of the tire off, remove the inner-tube. put the new one in and do everything in reverse. So I can take everything off fairly quick but there are a lot of steps to take and inserting the new tube isn't something I like to rush. When I got a flat tire on my way to Seattle I ended up pinching a hole in one of my spare tubes with my tire irons because I rushed it. I was lucky to have two spares in that moment but I ended up wasting 30 minutes to an hour because I ruined the inner tube. Ever since then I try to take a calm slow approach to changing my inner tube because I usually only have one spare for each wheel at any given time and then I have a patch kit for an emergency. I bet I could do the job in an hour if I had to, but I think I took 2.5 the last time I did it but that included stopping to drink, take pictures, post on Instagram, answer instagram messages about the pictures and eat a granola bar.

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Hopefully none but please consult a health-care professional. Always remember to use a certified filter for viewing the sun directly.


Q:

Hey Ashley! Do you ever read negative comments about yourself online and how do you deal with them? Love you and wish you the best in this upcoming season!

A:

when you get back can you change my tubes?


Q:

How has the technology for live streaming the Eclipse changed over the last 20 years? What are the most exciting improvements in the tech?

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I don't go out of my way to find them, but I see them every now and then. Obviously not everyone will love me and I'm not here to be everyone's best friend. I feel like to make everyone happy you would have to be so vanilla bland and boring. I'm just myself take it or leave it and if you don't like it thats totally fine! If you feel like you need to go out of your way to let me know you don't like it, well, idk, go get a life!


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Sure thing! I will be very poor when I get back. I'll change tubes for beer, food or lodging!

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In the early days of internet video (mid '90s to early 2000s), we were limited by the bandwidth we could use for transmitting live video as well as the image quality. Now, we can use HD video and multiple megabits/second bandwidth for streaming! This allows us to capture and send high quality video from our telescopes and deliver it to smart phones...a long way from the postage-stamp sized, slow-moving video of the early days!


Q:

Hi, Ashley! I have been a fan for a long time and I was wondering how your diet fluctuates and changes thought the skating season into the off season? Also what is your favorite jump to preform?

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Do you think that you will do another long distance ride sometime in the future in another country? Ride through Canada, or Europe, or something?


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How do you recommend I photograph the eclipse? Any Aperture/shutter speed/iso settings you would recommend? Anything I need to prep for before I set my camera up?

A:

Nothing changes too much, lucky for me I love nothing more than chicken veggies and rice!


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I sure would love to! I dream of riding through Europe but the cost of shipping a bike there might make doing it on my old wing not make sense... not that going long distance on a 42 year old bike is really about what makes sense in the first place... Riding through Canada or South America would be pretty doable with not needing to ship the bike overseas and all. Canada is certainly a lot safer than south America, however large sections are fairly boring, or least I've been told. I think if I do another epically long distance trip on the wing it might be from Newfoundland to Alaska which would actually be less miles round-trip than my current endeavor.

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Here's some good tips about shooting images of the eclipse: http://www.mreclipse.com/SEphoto/SEphoto.html


Q:

Can you wish me a happy birthday?

What's your favorite breed of cat and your favorite coffee from a fast food joint?

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What were you most nervous, or worried about before you left?


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Happy Birthday MorphineBear! My fav cat breed is my cat. He is a Desert Lynx aka a cat dog and I'm obsessed with him. Also don't hate my but my guilty pleasure is Dunkin' Donuts coffee. I know I know it is terrible but I LOVE it!!

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I think I was most worried about not having enough money to make it all the way around. And to that end that I'd hype up this trip all over social media, make it to the West coast and not be able to finish the trip with hundreds of people following and rooting for me online. I didn't want to set myself up to be known as that guy who talked big but couldn't follow through. I was very careful to say "the goal is to make it to all lower 48" not "I'm riding to all lower 48" and I even corrected friends sometimes when they'd introduce me to someone with that and I felt compelled to chime in with: "well that's the goal at least, who knows how far I'll actually get" so I'd say my biggest fear was simply not being able to pull off what I said I would and money seemed like the most likely reason that might happen. I actually remember my brother whos house I rented a room in during college say "I was talking to [his wife] and she asked if I thought you would actually pull it off and I was like well I think if anyone can pull it off it's Eli and if he runs out of money he can just get a part time job somewhere at a coffee shop and camp out for free somewhere to earn enough money to finish" that gave me a lot of confidence and settled a lot of fears, especially about the financial side. I hadn't even considered working a little to earn enough to finish but it's definitely something I could do if I needed to so that changed my perspective on the money.


Q:

You have a day to yourself. No plans are made. What do you watch on Netflix?

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I assume you don't do too much chit chatting with folks, but if you have, who have been the nicest, by state?


Q:

Narcos!!!!

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You're correct, I love to talk and love meeting people but I usually only spend 1-2 days in a state so I don't to talk to too many people in each one. I really believe you need to live somewhere for at least several months and interact with locals on many occasions in lots of different situations to really get a feel for what kind of people they are. That being said, I'd say Idaho had the nicest people. Everyone I met was super nice. When I first got into the state I left.my wallet on a bench at a gas station for an hour and someone turned it in. The only time I had to be towed I was towed to Salmon ID and the truck driver spoke like he was from Leave it to Beaver or something. Super nice and old fashioned. He cut like 20 dollars off my bill for me. Then the guys at the Motorsports shop let me swap my inner tube in the back of their shop, gave me stuff to patch it, and even stayed 30min past close for me to finish and we're super nice the whole time. So because even businesses people went above and beyond for me that Idaho stands out as the nicest people.


Q:

Your style of skating seems so different from other figure skaters at your level. You also seem to use music with lyrics far more often than your peers. I personally think it makes your skating way more fun to watch, so why are you the only one (that I have noticed) who tries to "change the game" a little?

HUGE fan by the way! You're my favorite Olympic athlete. Rooting for you!

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Roughly what percent of night do you spend sleeping with each of the common methods for this type of trip? Camping entirely or some mix of camping, friends/family, couchsurf/airbnb, hotel, etc? Also do you have a rough estimate of how much the entire trip will cost you (food, gas, repairs, sleeping arrangements, etc)?

I am in a similar boat hoping to do a similar trip next year after I graduate college (civil engineering not mechanical but pretty close haha) and would be interested to hear what advise you would give based on your experience. Also I recommended a couple roads up here in Vermont over on your Imgur post. Let me know if you'd be interested in crossing paths when you get up here.


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Aw yay thank you!! I personally think skating to music with lyrics makes it way more fun to watch as an audience! Maybe it can be a little intimidating for someone who is not as comfortable with expression yet because you really have to be way more literal, thats my only guess!

A:

Sooo let's see. I've been gone for about 7 weeks, so that's 49 nights. I believe I've spent a total of 16 nights at peoples houses, that's including multiple nights in the same place, I stayed at 4 hostels, three of those for only one night and one of them for 3 nights so that's 6 nights in hostels so I guess I did 16 nights in houses, 6 nights in hostels, and 27 nights camping so far? I plan on maybe 5 more nights camping but mostly staying with people now that I'm on the East coast, I know someone almost every destination I have for the remainder of the trip. After buying gear and competing the bike I believe I had 4k dollars for the trip and I might go a few hundred dollars into credit card debt by the end but hopefully not. That 4k will be everything from storage for all my stuff in Rochester, ($50/month for a bay in my brothers garage) insurance ( I think like $45/month for liability on the GL with my Jeep in inactive mode) and my phone bill which I'll pay $40/month (on a plan with my parents until the end of my trip and that $40/m is how much extra it cost to upgrade to unlimited which is what I'm covering) looks like it might be 16k miles at probably an average of 27mpg and roughly $2.40/gal so that's ~$1500 but I'd be willing its been more like 2k+ on gas so I must not have averaged 27... The second tire (first one I bought on the trip) was $180 I think after paying to have it installed (should have done it myself in hindsight, I've done that job like 5 times since then) $75 for the third tire, I think like $160 on inner tubes $125 on towing, probably like $125 on hostels and the rest must have been on food and drink and other things like tolls, tickets, parking, museums or stickers. But it's going to be a little over 4k all said and done, and I lived very frugally for the most part and stayed with people along the way.


Q:

Hi Ashley! Love these Olympic AMA's. very cool to see you on the Body Issue. OMG, what was that like to photograph? So many jumps.

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Will you travel all 13 Provinces and Territories of Canada too?


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I was FREEZING and it was drafty! Lol I have wanted to shoot the Body Issue for a long time because I think it is really important for people to understand the athleticism of figure skating. I was fresh off the plane from Japan and hadn't had water in like two days, I was dreaming of drinking water! Anyway, the magazine went out of their way to make me super comfortable and I was in total control of who was allowed to be in the rink. I really worked with the photographer to get the perfect shot and I am so proud of what we came up with!

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That honestly might be what my next trip ends up being! My uncle said that he's done that on this bike too!


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What program felt like your breakthrough? As a fan and former skater myself, I felt like the Black Swan program was a game changer and we really got to see fierce Ashley emerge #swagner :) I also loved the Moulin Rouge & Adagio LP's! Looking forward to seeing you live at nationals this year!

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even Nunavut? that's amazing! I would actually love to travel all three territories.


Q:

Hi thank you!! I still get a lot of positive feedback on Black Swan and it is so funny looking back that program at Nationals these days would prob not even be top five! At the time though, I definitely think it was a turning point for me, it changed people's perspective of who I was as a skater and it really started developing me as a performer! Have waaaaayyyy more fun in San Jose than I'll be having this year!

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As would I! He might also be miss-remembering things, he's known to do that sometimes, he's a bit kooky and wasn't diagnosed with asburgers until he was like 63 so I'd take all that with a grain of salt. But he might have!


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I seriously hope you do come to Canada :)


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YESSSS my Khaleesi moment. I wanted to look way more intense on the Iron Throne but honestly couldn't contain my nerdy excitement. This was awesome and I literally screamed when I saw it. One of the coolest thing Team USA has done for a promo shoot ever!

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Well I almost did Vancouver while I was in Seattle and I could conceivably do Montreal or Toronto still. Toronto is only a few hours from Rochester NY where I started and plan to end. But money is getting low so I probably won't on this trip. But I regret not dipping into Canada in Seattle and dipping into Mexico while in San Diego because then I could say I did the lower 48 and rode in three countries hahaha


Q:

Hi Ashley! You're my inspiration as a figure skater. I'm 18 and sometimes I feel too old to skate, especially for the level i'm at ( i started late and am barely learning axel and doubles). How do you get past seeing younger people being as good as you or even better (even though there's no one really better than you)?

Also does the media play up your relationship with fellow olympians like Gracie and Polina or are you guys actually that super close?

I'll be supporting you in San Jose!!!

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Gracie and I are actually good friends now! It took us a while to get there but I think we are both super strong willed type A personality ladies so once we realized we are actually the same person it was easy for us to let our guard down around each other. Polina is a lot younger than I am but I adore her.

As for your age. I get on the ice and most of the women I compete against were not even born when I started skating, how is that for feeling super old? You just have to really only think about yourself, that you love to do this and the rest seriously does not matter.